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Muslim Riots In Europe Were US Provocation (2)

cajunmousetrap@gmail.com skrev:

http://peaceinspace.com wrote:

Another Russian MP Says Muslim Riots Were US Provocation

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 13 2006

Echoing the comments of Liberal Democrats leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky,
another Russian MP has gone public with his contention that the recent
Muslim riots were a staged US provocation in order to swing public opinion
in Europe beind supporting an attack on Iran.

There is nothing "staged" about radical religious Muslims.

Each one of those persons rioting CHOSE to do so. They were not forced
to burn buildings or hold up signs advocating violence.

You are right in saying, they are of course also responsible.

If there was some neocon plot behind the provocation the religious
zealots fell right into their trap.

Or maybe more than was intendet?
If there has been some kind of plot, it seems to have backfired.
No one seems to really *control* it now.


--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Danes and the Quran

So, do the Danes burn the Qur'an in the streets?

No, they absolutely do not - they are doing the exact opposite!

I just heard in the Danish "radioavisen" (radio news) that you cannot buy the Qur'an at the Danish book stores - because they are all sold out. Because people want to read it, that is. The publishing houses have to print more of them in a hurry.

I suppose you cannot find it in our free and public libraries too, for the same reason. I myself read some books about Islam when I was young - many years ago.

Maybe it is time for me to refresh my memory?


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Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Muslim Riots In Europe Were US Provocation

http://peaceinspace.com skrev:

Another Russian MP Says Muslim Riots Were US Provocation

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 13 2006

Echoing the comments of Liberal Democrats leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky,
another Russian MP has gone public with his contention that the recent
Muslim riots were a staged US provocation in order to swing public opinion
in Europe beind supporting an attack on Iran.

Gennady Zyuganov told a news conference that the publication of the
offensive cartoons was a "well thought-out major provocation using
newspapers and magazines to aggravate the situation, the relationship
between the European countries and the Muslim world.”

Zyuganov (pictured below) said that the riots could only benefit the US and
that they were "not advantageous for Europe but those who have raised this
hysteria, insulted religious feelings of one and a half billion of Muslims,
are pushing Europe into the arms of the American military clique.”



Last week, Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that the publication of the offensive
cartoons was a planned psyop on the part of the US and aimed to “provoke a
row between Europe and the Islamic world”.

“It will all end with European countries thanking the United States and
paying, and giving soldiers,” said Zhirinovsky.

Although the riots have largely calmed, the build-up to a military strike on
Iran is intense, with newspapers today reporting that the Pentagon had
significantly advanced in its planning for bombing raids and
submarine-launched ballistic missile attacks on the country.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/
february2006/130206usprovocation.htm

A certain Daniel Fried from the US State Department has just
visited Denmark, apparently in order to prepare us for war on
Iran:

http://mogmich.blogspot.com/2006/02/daniel-fried.html


--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Euro Governments KNEW About Outsourced "Torture" Yet Did Nothing

B1ackwater skrev:

(cnn)
STRASBOURG, France (AP) -- The head of a European investigation into
alleged CIA secret prisons in Europe said Tuesday that evidence
pointed to the existence of a system of "outsourcing" of torture by
the United States, and said it was highly likely that European
governments knew of it.

But Swiss senator Dick Marty said there was no formal evidence so far
of the existence of clandestine detention centers in Romania or Poland
as alleged by the New York-based Human Rights Watch.

"There is a great deal of coherent, convergent evidence pointing to
the existence of a system of 'relocation' or 'outsourcing' of
torture," Marty said in a report presented to the Council of Europe,
the human rights watchdog on whose behalf he is investigating.

"Acts of torture or severe violation of detainees' dignity through the
administration of inhuman or degrading treatment are carried outside
national territory and beyond the authority of national intelligence
services."

The report said that extraordinary rendition -- transferring terror
suspects to countries where they may face torture or ill treatment --
"seems to have concerned more than a hundred persons in recent years."

"It is highly unlikely that European governments, or at least their
intelligence services, were unaware," it said.

Human Rights Watch identified Romania and Poland as possible sites of
secret U.S.-run detention facilities.
. . . . .

Hmmm ... who's naughtier - the US for sending selected terrorists
to east-european hell-holes, or the west europeans for bashing us
constantly in the media yet energetically ignoring what we were
doing ? Gee, you'd think european leaders actually WANT us to put
the screws to terrorists - yet WANT to make their (lefty) citizens
believe the opposite ..... tisk, tisk ... talkin' out both sides
of their mouths like that. Of course they also KNEW what was
going on in Bosnia and did nothing ...
Face it, they KNOW that the terrorists will get around to THEM
soon enough - and are willing to do what they feel is necessary
(or let someone ELSE do it so they won't dirty their nice
clean hands) - but at the same time they must play up to the
voters. Such duplicity reveals much about the nature of politics,
that greater realities lurk behind the glossy public image.
Now as for US ... it's we're "outsourcing" torture or anything
vaguely like torture then we either oughtta quit it - or stand
up for it. Going around the system like that shows that there
is plenty of duplicity and dual reality going on in the USA
as well. Let someone ELSE get the actual blood on their hands
so WE can pretend to be 'pure' and chivalrous.
These terrorists are rough and tough fanatics from rough and
tough countries and it's unlikely that milk and cookies and
re-runs of Baywatch on the big-screen prison TV is gonna make
'em tell when the next airliner is gonna come crashing down.
If we've gotta squeeze 'em a bit, let's just ADMIT IT to ourselves. Besides, we've now got the technology to detect
deception and lies just by reading brain-waves ... not much need for the hot irons and thumb-screws of yesteryear. So, if
anyone IS using hot irons and thumbscrews - it ain't for
getting vital life-saving info, just for petty vengance - and
THAT ought to be stamped-out hard and fast.

You might be interested in knowing this:

1. Denmark's "statsminister" Anders Fogh Rasmussen has just said
on a weekly press conference, that the Danish government has NO
knowledge of these CIA-flights.

2. Our "udenrigsminister" (=Secretary of State, Foreign Minister)
Per Stig Møller recently said on a meeting in Greenland, that "If
U.S. government say, no such CIA-flights has taken place, then
this *proves* that it hasn't taken place" (cit. from memory).
Møller happens to be a member of the Conservative Party here in
Denmark.

3. A *Conservative* Danish member of the EU-parlament Gitte
Seeberg, who is in the EU-committee investigating this, has just
condemned it, stating - corretly - that the governments in each
country are legally bound by EU to do something about it!
(regardless of what the U.S. government think about it).



--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Bush's Mother Tongue is NOT English

Logician skrev:

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a
literacy test."

If Bush got a puncture the air would escape!

Check out Bush trying to articulate:

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/like/
you_teach_a_child_to_read-and_he_or_her_will_be/339134/

He needs to stick to his mother tongue - probably Spanish.

What if in reality he is some kind of anti-semantic fascist?


--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

There is no Al Qaeda

ausstu@primus.com.au skrev:

If there was a real organized and well funded Al Qaeda, then there
would have been more significant terrorist attacks in the USA since
9/11. While there have been a few isolated terrorist incidents around
the world, there is no evidence that any of these are coordinated
attacks with a central command and control.

I suspect that what was Al Qaeda, Bin Laden in power in Afganistan was
pretty well wiped up in recent years. What you now have is some
isolated terrorist cells run by fundamentalist Islamist. Al Qaeda is a
spent force, but the Bush administration will still claim they exist to
make good mileage out of Bush's one strength with voters, that he is
tough on terrorism.

As you might know, there has been some threats against Denmark,
because we have soldiers in Iraq. Some of those threats were
actually from the top of Al Qaeda. But normally they don't give
any warning at all, when they plan and execute a terror attack (like the 911-attack). So it looks like they might not be *able*
to plan and execute a terror attack in Denmark. Instead they try
to "inspire" independent cells of fanatics to do it on their own.

Of course this doesn't mean there is no danger, but if Al Qaeda
is in fact weakened this way, they are probably not able to use wmd's at all (?)


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Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Assurances

Somebody: I really would like to send president Bush to hell!

Lawyer: That would be an illegal act. Satan would torture him, and that is illegal.

???

Somebody: What if I *obtain assurances* from Satan, that he will not torture him?

Lawyer: Then it is legal.

Somebody: OK!


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Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Where can we watch President Clinton Speech on Climate (Montreal) ?

AC skrev:

Does anyone have a link to President Clinton's speech on Climate on Dec
09 ? All I can find is the press conference :

http://unfccc.streamlogics.com/unfccc/agenda.asp

Thanks,
AC

There is a link here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4515898.stm



--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Yes boss? (2)

Lars Eighner wrote:

In our last episode, <437fb23b$0$11698$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net>, the lovely and talented Mogens Michaelsen broadcast on alt.politics:

The TV-station sends to millions of Kurds the world over.

But you don't seem to understand. To get the use of Turkish
bases, Bush had to promise to suppress the Kurds.

Did cross my mind, actually.

Officially they want ROI closed down because they *know* that the TV-station is connected to terrorists.

But as we all know: the official motives given by Bush & co.
doesn't have much to do with the *real* motives.

Since 911 the common fear of terror-attacks have clearly been
misused politically.


--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Yes boss?

At the moment the U.S. is trying to press the Danish government
to close down a TV-station sending from Denmark - in spite of the
fact that:

1. The TV-station is fully legal in Denmark.
2. The Danish constitution forbids the government to do that.
Only a court-decision or a new law can do that.

According to the Danish paper "Berlingske" the government has
received what is called a demarch from USA saying: "We strongly
urge the Danish government to close down ROI TV".

Apparently the U.S. government doesn't respect the sovereignty of
other countries, not even a country having soldiers in Iraq.

If you are interested, here is a link to ROI TV's homepage:

http://www.roj.tv/en/default/index.php

The TV-station sends to millions of Kurds the world over.


--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

Something wrong in the State of Denmark?

At the moment Ultra-Right-Wing bloggers are trying to misinform the world about what is going on here in Denmark. The trick is to deliberately translate an article in a Danish newspaper in a manipulative way to English, and spread it (very few people understand Danish!)

You can find my documentation here:

http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1966



--
Mogens Michaelsen
http://mogmichs.blogspot.com/

info

The date for each post is the time of copying, not the original date of the post. From now on I will make a copy here immediately after publizicing the post on the news group.

George Bush: Iran's best friend

J wrote:

In the 1980's, Iran and Iraq fought a war -- Iran attacked Iraq, Iraq defended, and the resulting war dragged on for almost eight years, took one million lives.

Iran had three objectives in this war:
1. Remove Saddam Hussein from power.
2. Ensure that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.
3. Install Shiite majority rule in Iraq, replacing the minority Sunnis (Saddam is Sunni).

Now, almost three years after the US attack on Iraq, we find that George Bush has handed Iran a major victory by achieving all three of their objectives:
1. Saddam Hussein has been removed from power.
2. We determined that Iraq has no WMD and we have ensured they will have none.
3. The US-engineered Iraqi constitution ensures a Shiite majority.

Not exactly what the Bushitters had in mind. But, then, when you base your foreign policy on lies, deceit, and forgeries, what do you expect?

Obviously Bush is not the only liar in this world!
It was not Iran that attacked Iraq, but the opposite, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_war

Your text is an exact copy of another post from you, to which I
have replied. Why don't you answer that?

It seems to me, that you deliberately try to manipulate this
group in order to discredit Bush on the basis of repeated lies.
What is the purpose of that? There are more than enough *facts*
to critizise Bush to hell. You don't have to lie...



--
Mogens Michaelsen
Dansk weblog: http://mogmich2.blogspot.com/
English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

George Bush: Best friend Iran has

Joe S. wrote:

In the 1980's, Iran and Iraq fought a war that lasted almost eight years, cost 1 million lives, and drained the two nations. Iran attacked Iraq, Iraq defended, and the war essentially became a stalemate.

Iran had three objectives in this war:
1. To overthrow Saddam Hussein.
2. To ensure that Iraq did not develop WMD.
3. To establish a Shiite majority in Iraq.

Now, after three years of George Bush's war in Iraq, we find that Bush has accomplished each of Iran's objectives.
1. Saddam Hussein has been overthrown.
2. We know that Iraq had no WMD and we have ensured there will be none.
3. The US-sponsored Iraqi constitution now ensures a Shiite majority in Iraq.

Yep, ol' George Bush is the best friend Iran has and he and his advisors are too damn dumb to see what they have done.

JS

I think you got it all wrong - it was Iraq that attacked Iran in
that war! See the article in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_war

By the way: Saddam Hussein had "positive relations" to USA at
that time, some might even suggest it was an american war with a
substitute (Saddam).

Today there are american military present on a massive scale in
two of Iran's neighboring countries: Afghanistan and Iraq. So
maybe you should ask yourself if not *any* government in Iran
would consider getting nuclear weapons?

Why give the disgusting theocratic regime in Iran some kind of
excuse to try to develop WMD - unless it is war that you want?


--
Mogens Michaelsen
Dansk weblog: http://mogmich2.blogspot.com/
English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

intelligent design of evolution! (2)

Randy Cox wrote:

"Mogens Michaelsen" wrote in message news:4307fafd$0$1158$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net...

Randy Cox wrote:

Intelligence, IQ, is defined as the ability to solve problems. The problem solving process involves taking action to solve the problem, observing the results of that action, adjusting the action to get better results, repeating the process until the problem is solved.

I think you are confusing intelligence and scientific method.
Scientists use their intelligence to make theories (Einstein).
Other scientists use experiments to verify or falsify the theory.
Both are essential in science.

That is what intelligent people do to solve problems. It's a pretty intelligent thing to do.

No, intelligent people try to figure things out before acting.

You are confusing meta level process with primary level process. Meta level action is the action that takes place internally. An intelligent being thinks of the action to solve a problem, takes the action internally (in his mind) observes the probable results (via accessable stored memories and associations from past experiences )then keeps adjusting those meta level actions until one gets the meta level result he wants. That is the intelligent person tests his proposed action as far as he is able internally. Then from all the possible actions he discovers in this manner, he choices one to implement on the primary level.....the level outside himself....reality, ourside world whatever you want to call it.

You reduced the mental action, observation, and adjustment process to words "figure things out". It is really the same process on the meta level as it is on the primary level which is where you first see the action as an action.

You could take a dogmatic stance and dismiss my thoughts as rubbish if you wish to be dogmatic.

It is also the way evolution approaches problems. The species is adjusted until it become more adept to the conditions. That's a pretty intelligent design process.

That is exactly what it is not.
Evolution *lacks* intelligence, that is why the cosmic process of
creation takes millions and billions of years.

Excellent point! Let us examine your point and learn from it. You and I have the sense of a timeline of life being about 120 years (120 circles of our earth around the sun) Even knowing that, our sense of time porportion is still different based upon our ages. A one year old child experiences a day as 1/365 of his lifetime to that point--a significantly longer day relative to his existence than a day is to a 58 year old man such as myself. We can exterpolate a sense of time based on our expected lifetime.

Your point above brings with it a certain accusation of inefficiency as if "intelligence" would have shortened the cosmic process of creation. Don't rush into defending your position. Hold off a moment. We can both learn from it. The religeous creationists make a similiar mistake. They have the same finite sense of time, and they equally infer that an intelligent creation would not take millions of years. So they reduce it down to six days with a rest on the seventh day, then they add the begets and come up with about 6,000 years of existence for this universe. Their story has the sun being created on the third day. They don't bother explaining what the first days were before the existence of the sun. A full half of the timeline of their understanding of creation falls apart, but they are more comfortable with 6,0000 years than they are with billions and billions.

Now, you and I think a little more expansively. We don't box ourselves into a six thousand year universe. Still, we can hardly escape our sense of lifetime. We are "intelligent" beings. We have a sense of urgency for those things we want to accomplish, including our own thoughts and understandings. We don't feel as if we have billions and billions of years to waste. So if we are intelligent and we can't afford to waste billions of years, then it is hard to imagine an intelligence that could afford that much time. Therefore the creative force that takes billions of years must not be an intelligent one.

Wait! I know this is not the single ruling authority of thought that goes into whatever thought process that brings us to whatever conclusion we may have about intelligence and creation. I'm not really trying to say that it is. I am pointing out and examining one of many such internal biases that may affect our conclusions.

I'm not trying to say I've got it all figured out either. I am aware of the gap between the awareness and will of a creative force and the one of accident. I can't know the full face of the cosmos anymore than I can know the full face of God.

Very quickly, I point out that in the models of chaos they are now seeing predictable and repetitive patterns of order develop among purely random and unpredictable individual events. In other words the number of purely 50/50 probablities that have such a magnitude of effect ever which way they fall that prediction can't be determined; yet the collective results of these random probablities still gather into predictable larger patterns. There is order and chaos.

Intelligence dominates our discourse. It is primary! Right or wrong, we are both aware of that which we are aware of and that which we are unaware of. At the highest levels it is our awareness and our intelligence that processes all the things touching your world and all the things touching mine. As Descartes pointed out. Our senses may get the experiences wrong. We can't know for a certainty that things we experience are real, but we can know we think. We can't be fooled into thinking we think....unless somehow we are made to think. Thinking is intelligence and it is the one thing we can be sure is real. All else may be real or imagined. The whole of existence might be nothing more or less than a huge endless thought. If it were...it would be none the less real.

If we are self-aware of our own intelligence, then how can we ignore the likely hood of intelligence in the force that moves the universe and all its components one to the other. Of course, we can not prove it, but it seems more likely than not, and it is within the scientific
method to accept the most simple explanation as the most likely.

Time is only the space relationship between the objects moving around in the universe. There is no waste or inefficiency....there is only movement

Randy R. Cox

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Mogens Michaelsen
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English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

Your thoughts is quite interesting, I think. A little diffent
from other posts about I.D.

The reason why I expressed myself in a rather "compressed" form
is that this newsgroup is about politics, not philosophy.

I understand that for americans "Intelligent Design" and other
kinds of Creationism has become politically relevant, because
some fools doesn't understand the *danger* in polluting science
with religion (or political ideology).

Not saying that *you* are a fool, but the president surely are.


--
Mogens Michaelsen
Dansk weblog: http://mogmich2.blogspot.com/
English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

intelligent design of evolution!

Randy Cox wrote:

Intelligence, IQ, is defined as the ability to solve problems. The problem solving process involves taking action to solve the problem, observing the results of that action, adjusting the action to get better results, repeating the process until the problem is solved.

I think you are confusing intelligence and scientific method.
Scientists use their intelligence to make theories (Einstein).
Other scientists use experiments to verify or falsify the theory.
Both are essential in science.

That is what intelligent people do to solve problems. It's a pretty intelligent thing to do.

No, intelligent people try to figure things out before acting.

It is also the way evolution approaches problems. The species is adjusted until it become more adept to the conditions. That's a pretty intelligent design process.

That is exactly what it is not.
Evolution *lacks* intelligence, that is why the cosmic process of
creation takes millions and billions of years.

The only thing missing in the theory of evolution is the observation that happens between changes in action via the natural process.

Descartes proved that thinking (observation or awareness) existed at least for him, because he knew he could be fooled into thinking things around him were real when they might only be a dream or hallucination, but no one could fool him into thinking he thought without him thinking. "I think; therefore I am!"

So with a little dialogue even the most die hard atheist will usually agree that they can think........observe.....be aware.

Now, since it follows in logic that a thing created is not likely (science always chooses the most likely, the most simple explanation) to be greater than the force that created it, it can be scientifically postulated that if the creative force creates something with intelligence then that force must have had intelligence.

That is simply not valid logic. But it *is* correct, that there
is no scientific proof that there is no "creative force" having
some kind of intention or will - but that is a question of faith.

Now we know intelligence exists in the result...it seems most simple that intelligence existed in the first cause.

So here we have two seemingly divergent ideas needing the other to make sense. Evolution is both extant and intelligent.

I can't understand why two sides oppose each other. That is like people on one side saying George is President, and folks on the other
side saying Bush is President.

I'm just the fool! I say George Bush is the Emperor.....and he has no clothes!

Randy R. Cox

Well, both of them, George and Bush, have a policy consisting of
military try-and-error, much like ants have. *Intelligence* is
something you fix in order to mislead people.


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Mogens Michaelsen
Dansk weblog: http://mogmich2.blogspot.com/
English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

Now here's a little something to chew on

Joe S. wrote:

http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/
story.aspx?content_id=422B960A-26BA-4891-9E60-21C8818788D4


QUOTE

Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction


United Press International


A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President
Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated.

If that story is true it must be a violation of the Geneva
Convention, as far as I can see. According to this it is
prohibited to humiliate a POW in public.



--
Mogens Michaelsen
Dansk weblog: http://mogmich2.blogspot.com/
English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

Perhaps the Blue states should leave the Union

E.L. Chamberlain wrote:

Since the conservatives hate the liberal blue states so much I suggest
we leave and start our own country. I'd be pretty happy; all the
technology industries would be with us, we'd have the major ports, and
Europe would be our ally.

I guess you don't mean this "country" should become a full member
of EU? But some kind of association would be possible, I think.
By the way: the inuit people of Greenland and Canada might be
positive.

All the red states can grow corn and spuds and teach their kids
"intelligent" design and have religion in school every day of the week.

And keep their women at home, much like the Talibans?

As for having a contiguous state, I'm sure something could be worked
out with the border of Canada. After all, they would happy to help, as
would the red states at the north of the US who want to get rid of us
nasty "liberals".

The Red states will be called the Christian States of God, while the
Blue states will be New America. Both sides would be happy.

Maybe you are joking a little bit? Hope so.


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Mogens Michaelsen
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English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/

Russia, China open first joint military exercises

"Peace Mission 2005" has started:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type
=worldNews&storyID=2005-08-18T042244Z_01_SPI806560
_RTRUKOC_0_UK-CHINA-RUSSIA.xml


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Mogens Michaelsen
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English weblog: http://mogmich.blogspot.com/